From 77445c641801ce894e29a2a240e69dc004585cb5 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:00:31 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 01/12] tN issue 2670 --- rev/18/06.md | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+) diff --git a/rev/18/06.md b/rev/18/06.md index bc82b54d9a..c1f0d60ca8 100644 --- a/rev/18/06.md +++ b/rev/18/06.md @@ -2,6 +2,10 @@ The voice speaks of punishment as if it were payment. Alternate translation: "Punish her as she has punished others" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metaphor]]) +# her ... she + +The pronouns "her" and "she" refer to the city of Babylon, which is spoken of as if it were a prostitute. (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-personification]]) + # repay her double The voice speaks of punishment as if it were payment. Alternate translation: "punish her twice as much" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metaphor]]) From cf20de3dfc10924e1c36c52212afa4ad67b881a8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:01:27 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 02/12] tN issue 2671 --- rev/18/09.md | 4 ---- 1 file changed, 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/rev/18/09.md b/rev/18/09.md index 578908b811..807f4ae58b 100644 --- a/rev/18/09.md +++ b/rev/18/09.md @@ -2,10 +2,6 @@ In these verses the word "her" refers to the city of Babylon. -# Connecting Statement: - -John tells what people say about Babylon. - # committed sexual immorality and went out of control with her "sinned sexually and did whatever they wanted just as the people of Babylon did" From 377a461d709d31f9a313f94963384628e9de23fd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:01:52 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 03/12] tN issue 2671 --- rev/18/10.md | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+) diff --git a/rev/18/10.md b/rev/18/10.md index 4befb0bdd1..a68fbb5515 100644 --- a/rev/18/10.md +++ b/rev/18/10.md @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ +# Connecting Statement: + +John tells what people say about Babylon. + # afraid of her torment The abstract noun "torment" can be translated as a verb. Alternate translation: "afraid that they will be tormented as Babylon is" or "afraid that God will torment them as he torments Babylon" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-abstractnouns]]) From 95c12278720521b708e4a0255fc0f67efb012a50 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:03:32 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 04/12] tN issue 2672 --- rev/18/18.md | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/rev/18/18.md b/rev/18/18.md index 584b81a96e..fd41d79f8b 100644 --- a/rev/18/18.md +++ b/rev/18/18.md @@ -4,5 +4,5 @@ In these verses the word "they" refers to the sailors and seafarers, and the wor # What city is like the great city? -This question shows the people the importance of the city of Babylon. Alternate translation: "No other city is like the great city, Babylon!" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-rquestion]]) +This question shows that the merchants thought the city of Babylon was very important. Alternate translation: "No other city is like the great city, Babylon!" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-rquestion]]) From abf30e5433b3c0713c9a37e01e4661555cc1af69 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:05:08 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 05/12] tN issue 2673 --- rev/18/21.md | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/rev/18/21.md b/rev/18/21.md index da63b0173d..b971cc814d 100644 --- a/rev/18/21.md +++ b/rev/18/21.md @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ # Connecting Statement: -Another angel begins to speak about Babylon. This is a different angel than the ones who have spoken previously. +Another angel begins to speak about Babylon. This angel is not one of those who has spoken previously. # millstone From 20132ee01521f2500827e7d5e8d20af25f180880 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:13:22 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 06/12] tN issue 2674 --- rev/18/22.md | 12 ++++-------- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) diff --git a/rev/18/22.md b/rev/18/22.md index 4dfdd07e9b..2420c1ce16 100644 --- a/rev/18/22.md +++ b/rev/18/22.md @@ -1,20 +1,16 @@ # The sound made by harpists, musicians, flute players, and trumpeters will not be heard anymore in you -This can be stated in active form. Alternate translation: "No one in your city will ever again hear the sound that harpists, musicians, flute players, and trumpeters make" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-activepassive]]) +Not being heard here means that they will not be there. This can be stated in active form. Alternate translation: "Harpists, musicians, flute players, and trumpeters will no longer make a sound in your city" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-activepassive]] and [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) # in you -The angel speaks as if Babylon were there listening to him. Alternate translation: "in Babylon" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-apostrophe]]) - -# will not be heard anymore in you - -"no one will hear them anymore in you." Not being heard here means that they will not be there. Alternate translation: "they will not be in your city anymore" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) +The angel speaks as if he were talking to Babylon. Alternate translation: "in Babylon" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-apostrophe]]) # No craftsman ... will be found in you -Not being found there means that they will not be there. Alternate translation: "No craftsman of any kind will be in your city" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) +Not being found there means that they will not be there. Alternate translation: "No craftsman ... will be in your city" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) # No sound of a mill will be heard anymore in you -The sound of something not being heard means that no one will make that sound. Alternate translation: "No one will use a mill in your city" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) +The sound of something not being heard means that no one will make that sound. Alternate translation: "No one will use a mill in your city anymore" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) From 4f0aeb4ad7289279329067e9fa5db321e1010162 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:15:34 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 07/12] tN issue 2675 --- rev/18/23.md | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/rev/18/23.md b/rev/18/23.md index c06c529b14..8564646526 100644 --- a/rev/18/23.md +++ b/rev/18/23.md @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ # General Information: -The words "you," "your," and "her" refer to Babylon. +The words "you" and "your" refer to Babylon. # Connecting Statement: From 0a0e4a3f4c5cc8eb6ae43759b985f7861ee32f14 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:16:35 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 08/12] tN issue 2675 --- rev/18/24.md | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+) diff --git a/rev/18/24.md b/rev/18/24.md index dec6ef9cf1..2693494601 100644 --- a/rev/18/24.md +++ b/rev/18/24.md @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ +# General Information: + +The word "her" refers to Babylon. + # In her the blood of prophets and of God's holy people was found, and the blood of all who have been killed on the earth Blood being found there means that the people there were guilty of killing people. Alternate translation: "Babylon is guilty of killing the prophets and believers and all the other people in the world who were killed" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-activepassive]] and [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) From 8699e8f298631f35a87011ef7bc56066ecc27b62 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:18:29 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 09/12] tN issue 2676 --- rev/19/02.md | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/rev/19/02.md b/rev/19/02.md index e8d446db1b..478f3300f6 100644 --- a/rev/19/02.md +++ b/rev/19/02.md @@ -6,9 +6,9 @@ Here John refers to the city of Babylon whose wicked people rule over all the pe Here "the earth" is a metonym for its inhabitants. Alternate translation: "who corrupted the people of the earth" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) -# the blood of his servants +# the blood of his servants, which she herself shed -Here "the blood" is a metonym that represents murder. Alternate translation: "murdering his servants" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) +Here "the blood" is a metonym that represents murder. Alternate translation: "murdering his servants, which she herself did" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-metonymy]]) # she herself From b42b4a940a4a8b39826aa574e66b8cc407083d8d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:21:15 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 10/12] tN issue 2677 --- rev/19/10.md | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/rev/19/10.md b/rev/19/10.md index a1449a6d98..4a29b50517 100644 --- a/rev/19/10.md +++ b/rev/19/10.md @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ # I fell down at his feet -This means that John purposely lay on the ground and stretched himself out in reverence or submission. This action was an important part of worship, to show respect and willingness to serve. See note in [Revelation 19:3](../19/03.md). +This means that John purposely lay on the ground and stretched himself out in reverence or submission. This action was an important part of worship, to show respect and willingness to serve. See how you translated "fell down" in [Revelation 5:8](../05/08.md). # your brothers From e1197f9d420c91f0fa1ec33680b4f76d18a8ec9c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:27:57 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 11/12] tN issue 2678 --- rev/19/13.md | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/rev/19/13.md b/rev/19/13.md index cadf15a48e..fb34555f80 100644 --- a/rev/19/13.md +++ b/rev/19/13.md @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ # He wears a robe that was dipped in blood -You can state this in an active form. Alternate translation: "Blood had covered his robe" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-activepassive]]) +You can state this in an active form. Alternate translation: "He wears a robe that has blood on it" (See: [[rc://en/ta/man/translate/figs-activepassive]]) # his name is called the Word of God From a5382c2a179e25a1c02b00d1abc7c2c0470d4965 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: John Hutchins Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:29:03 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 12/12] tN issue 2679 --- rev/20/01.md | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/rev/20/01.md b/rev/20/01.md index c0060db796..ffcafe2324 100644 --- a/rev/20/01.md +++ b/rev/20/01.md @@ -8,5 +8,5 @@ Here "I" refers to John. # bottomless pit -This is an extremely deep narrow hole. Possible meanings are 1) the pit has no bottom; it continues to go down further forever or 2) the pit is so deep that it is as if it had no bottom. See how you translated this in [Revelation 9:1](../09/01.md). +This is an extremely deep, narrow hole. Possible meanings are 1) the pit has no bottom; it continues to go down further forever or 2) the pit is so deep that it is as if it had no bottom. See how you translated this in [Revelation 9:1](../09/01.md).