Matt 11:22: πλὴν λέγω ὑμῖν missing #666

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opened 2020-08-14 14:29:50 +00:00 by hmw3 · 7 comments

hmw3 commented

2020-08-14 14:29:50 +00:00

\v 22 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

Should be

\v 22 Nevertheless, I tell you that it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

Most versions go with simple "but," as does ULB in v. 24, and that's fine too. I prefer mine because the πλὴν is "implying the validity of something irrespective of other considerations" (L-N). I'd add a tN:

Nevertheless

That is, whether indeed Chorazin and Bethsaida "would have repented" (Matthew 11:21), Jesus is emphasizing that what he is about to say is true.

\v 22 **But** it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. Should be \v 22 **Nevertheless, I tell you that** it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. Most versions go with simple "but," as does ULB in v. 24, and that's fine too. I prefer mine because the πλὴν is "implying the validity of something irrespective of other considerations" (L-N). I'd add a tN: **Nevertheless** That is, whether indeed Chorazin and Bethsaida "would have repented" (Matthew 11:21), Jesus is emphasizing that what he is about to say is true.

SusanQuigley commented

2020-08-20 17:39:23 +00:00

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I don't see any other version that leaves out the "I tell you." I think it would be good to put it in the ULB.

I don't think we need to change "But" to "Nevetheless."

I don't see any other version that leaves out the "I tell you." I think it would be good to put it in the ULB. I don't think we need to change "But" to "Nevetheless."

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JohnH commented

2020-08-21 14:56:07 +00:00

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I agree with "But, I tell you that ..."

Honestly, I don't understand what πλήν is doing here. It does not seem to be contrasting anything from the first statement. To me, something like "indeed" would work better, or maybe even "moreover."

However, most translations use "but" so I am fine with that.

I agree with "But, I tell you that ..." Honestly, I don't understand what πλήν is doing here. It does not seem to be contrasting anything from the first statement. To me, something like "indeed" would work better, or maybe even "moreover." However, most translations use "but" so I am fine with that.

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SusanQuigley commented

2020-08-21 14:59:28 +00:00

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Mat 11:22

Tom, what would you think of changing
\v 22 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

\v 22 But I tell you that it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

Mat 11:22 Tom, what would you think of changing \v 22 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. to \v 22 But **I tell you that** it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

TomWarren commented

2020-08-31 13:50:32 +00:00

The ULB of Mat 11:22 currently reads:

\v 22 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

Suggested change is:

\v 22 But I tell you that it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

The ULB of Mat 11:22 currently reads: \v 22 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. Suggested change is: \v 22 But I tell you that it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

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SusanQuigley commented

2020-08-31 15:28:09 +00:00

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I like that suggested change.

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SusanQuigley commented

2020-08-31 15:58:30 +00:00

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Tom, John already wrote "I agree with "But, I tell you that ...""
So I think you can go ahead and make the change.

Tom, John already wrote "I agree with "But, I tell you that ..."" So I think you can go ahead and make the change.

TomWarren commented

2020-08-31 17:34:32 +00:00

The ULB of Mat 11:22 now reads:

\v 22 But, I tell you it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you.

Committed and sync'd.

Tom W

The ULB of Mat 11:22 now reads: \v 22 But, I tell you it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. Committed and sync'd. Tom W

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2020-08-31 17:34:33 +00:00