Luk 2:33 Footnote #1218

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opened 2024-01-30 18:23:22 +00:00 by SusanQuigley · 4 comments

SusanQuigley commented

2024-01-30 18:23:22 +00:00

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My email to Drew 1/29/2024

Hi Drew.

MaryEllen asked me to check whether the footnote for Luke 2:33 should say "the mother" or "his mother." I wonder if the note about Jesus' mother should be there at all. I also wonder if the note about his father should be corrected.

ULB: 33 His father and mother* were amazed at what was said about him.

Footnote: Some copies of the ancient Greek text add to the text the name of his father, Joseph; and some do not have the mention of the mother. The most reliable copies have his father and mother.

This website https://greeknewtestament.net/lk2-33, shows the following variations:

Ἰωσὴφ καὶ ἡ μήτηρ αὐτοῦ
ο πατηρ αυτου και η μητηρ αυτου
ο Ϊωσηφ· και η μηρ αυτου
ο πατηρ αυτου και η μητηρ

None of these add Joseph's name. They have 'Joseph' instead of 'his father.'
Would you have a way to find out if any manuscripts add his name?
All of these mention the mother. It's just that some have 'his' after 'mother' and some don't.
Would you have a way to find out if any leave out any mention of Jesus' mother?

Would it be good to change the footnote to this?
Some copies of the ancient Greek text have Joseph instead of His father.

Susan

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Hi Drew and Mel,

I just noticed that BibleHub has a bunch of Greek texts. They all have either "his father" or "Joseph" but not both. And they all have "mother."

Susan

My email to Drew 1/29/2024 Hi Drew. MaryEllen asked me to check whether the footnote for Luke 2:33 should say "the mother" or "his mother." I wonder if the note about Jesus' mother should be there at all. I also wonder if the note about his father should be corrected. ULB: 33 His father and mother* were amazed at what was said about him. Footnote: Some copies of the ancient Greek text add to the text the name of his father, Joseph; and some do not have the mention of the mother. The most reliable copies have his father and mother. This website https://greeknewtestament.net/lk2-33, shows the following variations: Ἰωσὴφ καὶ ἡ μήτηρ αὐτοῦ ο πατηρ αυτου και η μητηρ αυτου ο Ϊωσηφ· και η μηρ αυτου ο πατηρ αυτου και η μητηρ 1. None of these add Joseph's name. They have 'Joseph' instead of 'his father.' Would you have a way to find out if any manuscripts add his name? 2. All of these mention the mother. It's just that some have 'his' after 'mother' and some don't. Would you have a way to find out if any leave out any mention of Jesus' mother? Would it be good to change the footnote to this? Some copies of the ancient Greek text have Joseph instead of His father. Susan --------- My next emaill Hi Drew and Mel, I just noticed that BibleHub has a bunch of Greek texts. They all have either "his father" or "Joseph" but not both. And they all have "mother." Susan

SusanQuigley commented

2024-01-30 18:23:43 +00:00

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Drew's Reply 1/29/2024

You can delete
and some do not have the mention of the mother. The most reliable copies have his father and mother.

Drew's Reply 1/29/2024 You can delete and some do not have the mention of the mother. The most reliable copies have his father and mother.

SusanQuigley commented

2024-01-30 18:26:19 +00:00

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My email 1/30/2024
I'd also like to change the first sentence in the footnote because I cannot find any evidence that it is true as it is.

Current Footnote:
Some copies of the ancient Greek text add to the text the name of his father, Joseph.

Suggestions:
Some copies of the ancient Greek text have Joseph instead of His father.
or
Some copies of the ancient Greek text have his father's name, Joseph.

Drew's reply 1/30/2024

I do not have an opinion either way

My reply 1/30/2024

Ok. Thanks.

I like the second one because it does not indicate whether or not "Joseph" is added to "his father" or replaces it.

My email 1/30/2024 I'd also like to change the first sentence in the footnote because I cannot find any evidence that it is true as it is. Current Footnote: Some copies of the ancient Greek text add to the text the name of his father, Joseph. Suggestions: Some copies of the ancient Greek text have Joseph instead of His father. or Some copies of the ancient Greek text have his father's name, Joseph. -------- Drew's reply 1/30/2024 I do not have an opinion either way ------ My reply 1/30/2024 Ok. Thanks. I like the second one because it does not indicate whether or not "Joseph" is added to "his father" or replaces it.

MaryEllenOliver commented

2024-01-30 18:29:16 +00:00

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MaryEllen: I agree with the reasoning for the second one.

MaryEllenOliver commented

2024-01-30 18:42:50 +00:00

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1/30/24 In response to consultation above, in June branch, shortened footnote to "Some copies of the ancient Greek text have his father's name, Joseph."