Matt 12:41, 42

JohnH commented

2020-08-21 15:56:22 +00:00

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When working on the ULB issue that Henry posted for these verses, I noticed the notes.

12:41 this generation of people
This refers to the people living during the time Jesus was preaching.

12:42 this generation
This refers to the people living during the time Jesus was preaching.

Should we specify that this means the Jews living during the time of Jesus? I don't think this verse means all people on the planet living during the time of Jesus.

When working on the ULB issue that Henry posted for these verses, I noticed the notes. 12:41 **this generation of people** This refers to the people living during the time Jesus was preaching. **12:42 this generation** This refers to the people living during the time Jesus was preaching. Should we specify that this means the Jews living during the time of Jesus? I don't think this verse means all people on the planet living during the time of Jesus.

SusanQuigley commented

2020-08-21 17:43:25 +00:00

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Yes. I think that would be good.

I wonder about v 39
\v 39 But Jesus answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign. But no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah the prophet.

An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign ... given to it
Jesus is speaking to his present generation. Alternate translation: "You are an evil and adulterous generation who demands signs from me ... given to you" (See: rc://en/ta/man/jit/figs-123person)

adulterous generation
Here "adulterous" is a metaphor for people who are not faithful to God. Alternate translation: "unfaithful generation" or "godless generation" (See: rc://en/ta/man/jit/figs-metaphor)

For the first note, maybe change "his present generation" to "his present generation of Jews."

I don't think it changes the translation, but I think it can help the translators understand the passage better.

Yes. I think that would be good. I wonder about v 39 \v 39 But Jesus answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign. But no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah the prophet. **An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign ... given to it** Jesus is speaking to his present generation. Alternate translation: "You are an evil and adulterous generation who demands signs from me ... given to you" (See: rc://en/ta/man/jit/figs-123person) **adulterous generation** Here "adulterous" is a metaphor for people who are not faithful to God. Alternate translation: "unfaithful generation" or "godless generation" (See: rc://en/ta/man/jit/figs-metaphor) For the first note, maybe change "his present generation" to "his present generation of Jews." I don't think it changes the translation, but I think it can help the translators understand the passage better.

JohnH commented

2020-08-21 18:00:03 +00:00

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What about for the first note "Jesus is speaking to the Jews of his present generation." That seems to flow better to me.

SusanQuigley commented

2020-08-21 18:09:35 +00:00

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Yes. That is clearer.

JohnH commented

2020-11-19 16:45:29 +00:00

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If we all still agree here, I will make the changes.

SusanQuigley commented

2020-11-19 17:01:02 +00:00

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I agree with clarifying that Jesus was talking to/about Jews -- not to everyone who lived during that time.

For v 39, I think the word "present" could be confusing.

I agree with clarifying that Jesus was talking to/about Jews -- not to everyone who lived during that time. For v 39, I think the word "present" could be confusing.

JohnH commented

2020-11-19 18:22:32 +00:00

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In verse 39 should it be just "speaking to the Jews of his generation"?